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		<title>By: Wilz</title>
		<link>http://althras.wordpress.com/2008/03/13/language-is-the-construct-of-human-intelligence/#comment-136</link>
		<dc:creator>Wilz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 03:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With regards to the bonobos, I wasn&#039;t dealing with maybes in the article. Just what is observable atm. If we wanna speculate, yeh - seems like those monkeys are the closest to us now in terms of intelligence.

With regards to telepathy, read Daniel Dennett&#039;s article. Is it possible to &#039;think&#039; a complex thought without language? We don&#039;t have the definitive answer to that question yet, but for now, it appears the answer is no.

It stands to reason that you can possibly transmit the image of a rabbit through telepathy to another person. It would also make sense that you can transmit feelings - anger, resentment, jealousy, sadness, happiness, lust - in the same way. But the more complex the concept, the harder it is to transfer so simplistically.

If you are thinking of the idea of transparency for example, you may picture glass in your mind, but you understand yourself as thinking of something else. Transmitting the image of glass would cause confusion in the telepathy - do you mean the glass itself, or its transparency? Transmitting the &#039;meaning&#039; of &#039;transparent&#039; would require the word &#039;transparent&#039;. Unless in telepathy, the image of a specific shape/color of glass becomes a standard for transparency - then that would be a language as well, since that that specific image would then be a word in the new language.

And if you&#039;re trying to transmit/explain the meaning of differentiation/integration, or the space-time continuum...

In other words, it is within reason that anything you cannot &#039;think to yourself&#039; without language is also impossible to transmit through telepathy without language.

Which would mean that telepathy would not be an enabler of intelligence on a human scale, but it would instead be a catalyst. The benefit of telepathy to intelligence would be to magnify the power of communication through language, apart from magnifying empathy, love and understanding as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With regards to the bonobos, I wasn&#8217;t dealing with maybes in the article. Just what is observable atm. If we wanna speculate, yeh &#8211; seems like those monkeys are the closest to us now in terms of intelligence.</p>
<p>With regards to telepathy, read Daniel Dennett&#8217;s article. Is it possible to &#8216;think&#8217; a complex thought without language? We don&#8217;t have the definitive answer to that question yet, but for now, it appears the answer is no.</p>
<p>It stands to reason that you can possibly transmit the image of a rabbit through telepathy to another person. It would also make sense that you can transmit feelings &#8211; anger, resentment, jealousy, sadness, happiness, lust &#8211; in the same way. But the more complex the concept, the harder it is to transfer so simplistically.</p>
<p>If you are thinking of the idea of transparency for example, you may picture glass in your mind, but you understand yourself as thinking of something else. Transmitting the image of glass would cause confusion in the telepathy &#8211; do you mean the glass itself, or its transparency? Transmitting the &#8216;meaning&#8217; of &#8216;transparent&#8217; would require the word &#8216;transparent&#8217;. Unless in telepathy, the image of a specific shape/color of glass becomes a standard for transparency &#8211; then that would be a language as well, since that that specific image would then be a word in the new language.</p>
<p>And if you&#8217;re trying to transmit/explain the meaning of differentiation/integration, or the space-time continuum&#8230;</p>
<p>In other words, it is within reason that anything you cannot &#8216;think to yourself&#8217; without language is also impossible to transmit through telepathy without language.</p>
<p>Which would mean that telepathy would not be an enabler of intelligence on a human scale, but it would instead be a catalyst. The benefit of telepathy to intelligence would be to magnify the power of communication through language, apart from magnifying empathy, love and understanding as well.</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
		<link>http://althras.wordpress.com/2008/03/13/language-is-the-construct-of-human-intelligence/#comment-135</link>
		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 02:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It tis true that they have not developed their own language but they seem to have the capacity to learn and understand abstract concepts. Could perhaps an educated bonobo chimp be considered mildly intelligent? The breakthrough will probably happen when said chimp finds an urge and knowhow to educate its brethen, and realizes how to use the knowledge for the betterment of its limited society. 

Initially I perceived telepathy to be just another method of communicating ie wireless vs sound, which undeniably requires language to facilitate exchanges of abstract symbols and ideas. But what if you could see exactly what&#039;s in my mind&#039;s eye? Would you interprete my imagination in your own language? Or store those visuals as visuals in your own head. In other words, would you take a snapshot of my mind, write about what you see(in your own constructed mental language) or both? Do you require a language in all these instances?

Telepathy could perhaps become the second floodgate if and only if it pushes us in the direction of a joined conciousness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It tis true that they have not developed their own language but they seem to have the capacity to learn and understand abstract concepts. Could perhaps an educated bonobo chimp be considered mildly intelligent? The breakthrough will probably happen when said chimp finds an urge and knowhow to educate its brethen, and realizes how to use the knowledge for the betterment of its limited society. </p>
<p>Initially I perceived telepathy to be just another method of communicating ie wireless vs sound, which undeniably requires language to facilitate exchanges of abstract symbols and ideas. But what if you could see exactly what&#8217;s in my mind&#8217;s eye? Would you interprete my imagination in your own language? Or store those visuals as visuals in your own head. In other words, would you take a snapshot of my mind, write about what you see(in your own constructed mental language) or both? Do you require a language in all these instances?</p>
<p>Telepathy could perhaps become the second floodgate if and only if it pushes us in the direction of a joined conciousness.</p>
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		<title>By: Wilz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wilz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 02:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeh. I watched teh Bonobo video. Regardless, they have not developed language the way we would define it (the kind required for that floodgate effect). Neither have dolphins or whales, despite our fascination with their clicks and errr... ocean-crossing moans. This, the language driven intelligence club still have a singular member - as far as we know. Of course, none of us are so arrogant as to believe it impossible for any other species to develop it. In fact, we&#039;re kinda sad not to have discovered (or been discovered by) any&#039;one&#039; else.

Other than language, the only other thing which I would imagine to produce a similar floodgate effect is probably telepathy, but hmmm... maybe not. You need language to describe complex concepts, and even concepts represented in complex images is a form of language so telepathy probably needs a language as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeh. I watched teh Bonobo video. Regardless, they have not developed language the way we would define it (the kind required for that floodgate effect). Neither have dolphins or whales, despite our fascination with their clicks and errr&#8230; ocean-crossing moans. This, the language driven intelligence club still have a singular member &#8211; as far as we know. Of course, none of us are so arrogant as to believe it impossible for any other species to develop it. In fact, we&#8217;re kinda sad not to have discovered (or been discovered by) any&#8217;one&#8217; else.</p>
<p>Other than language, the only other thing which I would imagine to produce a similar floodgate effect is probably telepathy, but hmmm&#8230; maybe not. You need language to describe complex concepts, and even concepts represented in complex images is a form of language so telepathy probably needs a language as well.</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
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		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 02:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article, though I am not entirely sold on the idea that language driven intelligence is an exclusive club with a singular member. Bonobo chimps have been found to exhibit an accelerated learning process when it comes to communication and language development, albeit in a limited sense.

I would contend however that the capability to develop language(ie abstract symbols etc) opens the first of many floodgates that enable not only the genesis but also the maintenance of a civilization. 

Anyway good one old chap :). Shall we tackle the subject of memetics next? &gt;:D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article, though I am not entirely sold on the idea that language driven intelligence is an exclusive club with a singular member. Bonobo chimps have been found to exhibit an accelerated learning process when it comes to communication and language development, albeit in a limited sense.</p>
<p>I would contend however that the capability to develop language(ie abstract symbols etc) opens the first of many floodgates that enable not only the genesis but also the maintenance of a civilization. </p>
<p>Anyway good one old chap :). Shall we tackle the subject of memetics next? &gt;:D</p>
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		<title>By: Wilz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wilz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 23:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, perverted is one way to put it :)

I think of language as more the tool that has let us escape the limits of random generate-and-test to switch to focused generate-and-test, which is basically saying that we switched from evolutionary development/advancement to scientific development/advancement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, perverted is one way to put it :)</p>
<p>I think of language as more the tool that has let us escape the limits of random generate-and-test to switch to focused generate-and-test, which is basically saying that we switched from evolutionary development/advancement to scientific development/advancement.</p>
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		<title>By: sulochanosho</title>
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		<dc:creator>sulochanosho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good pondering thoughts there. Many times through our LANGUAGE tool we inherit, transmit, generate, regenerate so many things called knowledge, wisdom and so on. A good analysis of human intelligence - rather comparative intelligence is narrated there in this write-up. Thanks.

Some how, I do sense that with our so called accumulated knowledge and wisdom we human species have turned into a sort of &#039;perverted&#039; species, comparatively.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good pondering thoughts there. Many times through our LANGUAGE tool we inherit, transmit, generate, regenerate so many things called knowledge, wisdom and so on. A good analysis of human intelligence &#8211; rather comparative intelligence is narrated there in this write-up. Thanks.</p>
<p>Some how, I do sense that with our so called accumulated knowledge and wisdom we human species have turned into a sort of &#8216;perverted&#8217; species, comparatively.</p>
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